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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 27, 2010 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

BD , down on Further , DSO ? I must confess , all these incarnations are like New Coke to me . But they don't make the Classic anymore . That factory has 15 , 20 , for you Cliff , 33 years of dust on the floor . No footprints to be found .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 27, 2010 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

Look, I think the guys are musicians and should continue to play whenever, wherever, whatever they want. I just don't want to go because there is a huge void in the experience for me (that started before Jerry's death that many slowly witnessed on stage) and I prefer to spend my time and money on other, more personally rewarding musical experiences. My only knock on this Furthur festival is the pre-announced sets comprising studio albums. The element of surprise seems to be lacking and it puts them more into the vibe of a County Fairground act playing the greatest hits. I'm sure it'll be a good time for the folks there.

DSO. Sorry, I just don't understand musicians that devote themselves to playing (almost) entirely in cover/revival bands (although it seems to have worked out ok for fake Jerry and the Jerry-less GD).

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: May 27, 2010 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

Pre-announced set lists are strange, I'll grant you that. But the chance to catch Terrapin Station from start to finish has me traveling many miles for the experience.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 27, 2010 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

BD , The missus is very into all the spin-offs , so I go 2,3 times a year . It's really hard sometimes . I appreciate the Core Four - BTW doesn't The Amazing Billy K. look great - and their music . However , so many songs are imprinted on me in a deep , personal level by JG that when someone else plays/sings (please bob , stop ) his stuff ......

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: May 28, 2010 4:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

Look, I think the guys are musicians and should continue to play whenever, wherever, whatever they want. I just don't want to go because there is a huge void in the experience for me (that started before Jerry's death that many slowly witnessed on stage)...

Yes BD, we had up front center seats at ShoreLine in late 94. It was in the day time and no dark lights to hide anything. Garcia looked dead on stage; but we heard a kick ass "So Many Roads" on his way outta here...

My only knock on this Furthur festival is the pre-announced sets comprising studio albums. The element of surprise seems to be lacking...

That was half the fun trying to figure out where the boys were going next. I don't have a problem with FURTHUR trying new songs and new combinations of songs which is their own idea...

DSO. Sorry, I just don't understand musicians that devote themselves to playing (almost) entirely in cover/revival bands...

We have most of those original tapes! No need for a tribute band to copy a setlist from an old Grateful Dead concert. I look for original DSO setlists that might have some Jerry Garcia Band songs thrown in for good measure, which the original band never did...

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 27, 2010 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

I think the days of truly "improvised" Dead are over. Even on the last Dead tour the setlist was picked before the show. The person who picked it rotated each night but there no real improv if you will.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 27, 2010 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

Improvising really doesn't have anything to do with whether you have a setlist or not. It's about what you do with the songs.


This is Phil talking in an interview in 2000. He's talking about Phil and Friends but I bet it still holds true today (and probably true in the days of the Grateful Dead too).

"I'll call a key and a feeling or a groove, and then we'll just take it to whatever suggests itself and it will evolve to a point where we can take it into a song that we have on the list. My goal is to be able to go up there and just call the songs as they occur to us. You know, "Oh, that sounds like a good idea. Let's do that!" and we can just sing the song - whatever it happens to be - without any pre-conceived setlist at all. Or maybe just a list of possibilities - a list that's say twice as long as the set could be, and we could just pick and chose out of this list as it occurs - with no particular order...

"I want to be able to be able to improvise into the song, improvise in the middle of the song, and improvise out of the song. I see the songs as islands of order in the sea of chaos. The sea of chaos is all the jammin' that we're doing, and every so often we come to these islets that could be a song, or could be the beginning of a song, or part of a song. And we'll just stay there sometimes and we'll elaborate on these little places, and then we'll go back surfing on the sea of chaos again. To me in a lot of ways that's a metaphor for life or for a spiritual journey. So that's the feeling in there or the structure that I'm after."

You can find the whole interview in the Phil Zone
http://www.philzone.com/interviews/phil/index.html

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: May 27, 2010 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur - anticipation

I've got to agree with you there. I think they should play and have fun and make some money and all of that. But I'm sort of down on all of these classic-album-in-their-entirety shows. It always seems a little bit sad to me when it comes to that.